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Pitbull Owners Survival Guide

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March 30, 2007

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Heather

wow. i made the biggest mistake of my life. I came to get my dog fixed....because someone reported me having a pitbull...pretty sure she is mixed but i am not a dog expert...so i took her to the vet and had her fixed...chipped...INSURED...the vet said what is the breed of your dog? THE VET ASKED ME!!! i said i guess its a pitter? WRONG MOVE! now she is branded. I had her registered before the ban, she had her grandfather status...then I unfortunately had to move with her out of the city for personal reasons... 2 years later i move back...and because i failed to re register her (BECAUSE I DIDNT LIVE HERE!!!! DUH brantford ontario) now i have a court appearance december 2nd... they give me 2 choices. moce back out of the city with my dog...or get rid of her. NICE. my argument is that I went through all the trouble of doing what I was supposed to do as a responsible owner, but now they want to penalize me because I moved and came back, into the city I have lived in all my life... someone out there give me some advice. is it possible to go back to the vet and tell them..PROVE my dog is a pitbull?

scott

hello, i am just looking for information and read though this artical but am a little confused, i currenty live in new zealand but am moving to looking at moving to Toronto (canada haha) the middle of next year but i have a 6 year old american red nose pitty girl who is fixed, does these laws mean i cannot take a pitbull into canada anymore etc ( in new zealand this type of law has passed and pitbulls are banned from entering NZ and breeding them etc its really annoying law because once i take her outa nz i cannot bring her back, my email is jay@pcsonline.co.nz if anyone could help me at all, thanks heaps

EDITOR's RESPONSE: Pitbulls - as well as any mix or ANY dog that resembles "pitbulls" are banned from the Province Of Ontario, which includes Toronto.

I amm copying friends at the detail.

Also - I would strongly urge you - or any dog owner - to join the Dog Legislation Council Of Canada. The DLCC can assist you and answer your questions in detail. you can find them on the web at:
http://doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/

Celeste

I think that hundreds if not thousands of dogs are going to be needlessly slaughtered if we don't do something.
The appeallic judge in this case should never have been on this case because she obviously doesn't love animals.
This breed ban doesn't do anything to stop dog bites nor does it do anything to stop people from trying to smuggle illegal dogs into the province as was the case with Rambo who was sent out of province to avoid being euthinized.

Ann G.

Hey, all:

Glad for all you supporters of our wonderful pitters and their like!

Ontarians challenged the Law on September 17 & 18/08 - that part made the news - but I can't find one word on the outcome!

Anyone able to help me find the results?

You are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Ann

cory moore

i think they should treat pitbulls like any other dogs that is crulity and that is wrong i am a young person help pitbulls

Caveat

BSL is about killing dogs because of the way they look. That's it.

I thought everybody knew that. It has nothing to do with behaviour, age, etc.

The owner is going to court, we'll see how it turns out. I suspect things will be OK but we'll have to wait and see.

jennifer

there is a innocent dog now in the torn=onto humane societies hand s becasue of this law he is only 5mnth old and they want to put him down kill him. he is not a threat to society nor has he done anything he is just the breed "pitbull" and because he is under age they want to kill him under this new law. go on toronto humane society web site and you will see him owner is devastated and is fighting in courtI THINK THIS LAW IS TWISTED AND REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO AGAIN.
KILLING A INNOCENT ANIMAL DUE TO HIS BREED " PITBULL" IS ABSOLUTLY
DISGUSTING AND DAMN RIGHT CRUEL. THE DOG DID NOT HARM ANYONE AND IS NOT
A THREAT TO SOCIETY SO WHY ARE WE KILLING HIM????????//, IF YOU ARE
GOING TO HAVE A LAW AS SUCH MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE IT FOR ALL BREEDS ,
THERE ARE DOTHER BREEDS THAT ARE JUST AS DANGEROUS YET DON'T HAVE SUCH A
LAW. yOU WOULD NOT TAKE THE LIFE OF A TWENTY YEAR OLD JSUT BECAUSE HE
IS TWENTY AND OTHER KIDS HIS AGE ARE KILLING PPL WITH THE GUN YET YOU
ARE TAKING THE LIFE OF THIS DOG!!, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS THERE
PRIORITIES OUT OF WHACK AND REALLY NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THERE LAWS. WE
HAVE THE YOUNG OFFENDERS ACT IN PLACE AND ARE WATCHING EVERYDAY KIDS
KILLING KIDS BY THE GUN !!! YET WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT DOIGN ABOUT THIS
THEY PROTECT THESE INDIVIDUALS AND THE SERVE HALF THERE SENTENCE AND ARE
ON THE STREETS AGAIN. YET YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE LIFE OF A INNOCENT
CREATURE FOR BEING A "PITBULL". WOULD THAT MEAN YOU WILL KILL A CHINESE
MAN BECAUSE SOME OTHER CHINESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE BAD THINGS?? THIS LAW IS
NOT FAIR NOR IS IT RIGHT> IT IS ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!! AND IT DISGUSTS ME
THAT WE ARE QUICK AS A SOCIETY TO EUTHANIZE A DOG FOR BEING BORN INTO
THE WRONG BREED YET WE WILL ALLOW KIDS TO CONTINUOUSLY BE KILLED BYTHE
GUN AND ALLOW THE YOUNG OFFENDERS ACT TO PROTECT THE PERSONS RESPONSIBLE
. tHIS DOG DESERVES LIFE, AND THAT LAW NEEDS TO RE EXAMINED AND CHANGED
EITHER YOU INCLUDE ALL DOGS OF VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR OR NONE. BUT
DISCRIMINATING ONE BREED IS NOT RIGHT!!! THIS STORY BREAKS MY HEART AND
HURTS ME . YOU SAID WE HAVE TO FOLLOW RULES??? WELL THIS IS LIFE AND WHO
ARE WE TO TAKE AWAY A INNOCENT LIFE. FREE RAMBO AND GET RID OF THIS
DISGUSTING LAW, IT'S ONLY BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION BECAUSE OF MEDIA WHAT
ABOUT ALL THE REPORTS OF OTHER BREEDS AND DOGS ATTACKING PEOPLE
???????? AND BELIEVE ME THERE ARE ALOT OF CASES THAT ARE NOT BROUGHT TO
MEDIA OR TO SOCIETIES ATTENTION. THIS DOG DESERVES LIFE, AND THIS LAW
NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. "FREE RAMBO" LET HIM GO HOME TO HIS FAMILY WHO
OBVIOUSLY LOVES HIM, OR LET THE HUMANE SOCIETY SEND HIM OUT OF ONTARIO
TO A GOOD HOME. KILLING HIM IS NOT THE SMART OPTION , JSUT LOOK AT THE
MESSAGE YOU ARE GIVING SOCIETY!!! MANS BEST FRIEND YET WE ARE KILLING
HIM INNOCENTLY.

JENNIFER

Caveat

Anyone concerned about animal welfare opposes Peta, H$U$ and the rest of the motley crew.

They have no interest in animal welfare. They do nothing to protect animals. They want to kill them all, not just 'pit bulls'.

Peta and the rest throw a good line for the suckers but if you know the facts, you dismiss them as fanatics on a hellbound mission.

Harumph!

David O

You're OPPOSED to PETA? You should take a long, hard look at your values if that's the case. I guess "ethical treatment" for animals isn't high on your priority list.
EDITOR's NOTE" You SUPPORT PETA???? DAvid, it is YOU that should take a long hard look in the mirror. Just in case you DIDN't know - Igrid Newkird thinkgs that any "pitbull" dog is better off dead and thinks shelters should treat likem liek a Roach Motel. They come in - but never leave - that is unless it's in a body bag. Shally I go further? Wasn't it PETA that euthanized all those innocent dogs & cats in NC in a scam - they promised new homes but dumped the dead carcasses in the Piggly Wiggly dumpster? But wait, DAvid - there's more. Doesn't PETA KILL about NINETY PERCENT of ALL ANIMALS they take in??? Ingrid Newkird is a scammer - she's only opposed to killing animals UNLESS she gets to do the killing. Wake UP, David................ Do you want the RED PILL or the BLUE pill????

Caveat

Silly Penguin is aptly named. Is that you, Michael, doing some more of your famous sock puppetry?

You forgot to mention that in addition to the tossing of 'pit bull terrier' and 'includes', Section 19 was thrown out completely as violating the Charter right to trial fairness.

You also appear to be typically ignorant about the dogs themselves. In fact, they were bred to be housepets above all else. They were utility dogs, livestock dogs, draft dogs, kids' companions.

Check YOUR facts because you are playing with the big boys now.

Lisa

I am a proud owner of a 4yr old Staffordshire terrier, and Bill 132 has done nothing but disgust me to no end. Not once have I seen my beloved dog bite, snarl, or growl at another human being. I walk him without a muzzle and have never had one dangerous expereince, most people stop us to pet him and comment on what a beautiful dog he is. I am overseas, and after all of this nonsense in Ontario refuse to move back to my hometown in Ontario, but will be relocating else where in Canada to ensure I can keep him, a dog that cuddles with me, does tricks, and loves to be around people. I would also like to add, that I am not a crackhead, or gang member, I am a Registerd Nurse, how do I fit into the stereotype of the Staffordshire owner? It is good to know that while I have been overseas, my government has been working hard at making Ontario a safer place to live!

Silly Penguin

Maybe you better check your information. The term Pit bull terrier was only struck out of the definition of a pit bull type dog. The rest of the breeds including american pit bull terrier as well as anything that resembles it is still included in the definition. Pit bull terrier was only removed because it it is not an actual breed of dog. The rest of the law has stayed intact, and the ruling is nothing but a blip on the radar for the law. Wether the law is just or unjust, a case could probably be made either way. This law has only been put in place to protect people, because these dogs were never meant to be house pets.

Jay Shaw

Just wanted to toss my own 2 cents in here. I live in a medium sized city in southern ontario. I'm also the owner of a 9 year old 3-legged Staffordshire terrier. One of my neighbors at my former residence decided it would be amusing to set his mutt on my CRIPPLED dog, then call the police and say he attacked HIS dog. Needless to say with the law written as poorly as it is, I was hoping to get an officer who'd actually read it. Lucky me, the officer actually owned a Staffordshire himself. He listened to my neighbors story, came over to my dog, scratched him on the head and continued straight to his cruiser and left.

I really hope that every other "pit bull" owner lives in a town where the cops are smarter than the neighbors, and understand that the law is so vaguely written that it is truly un-enforcable.

Dickthedog

I work in Nashville, Tn. My home is in the country. I am one of five dogs and two cats.Even when one of us needs to go outside-we live on 110 ac.horse ranch- One of the humans go's outside with us. My point is { i'm a bird dog] that not all folks "here or there" take the responsibility that comes with caring for their creators gift of companionship, seriously. So i think you humans do need laws-not the kind that Brilliant Bryant and his band of thugs wanted- but the kind that will protect all of us,from some of you, most of the time. and from those "human folks" that don't care about no one, but themselves and "those human folks" know who they are! To the rest of you, Thanks for your love, support and protection that most good humans share and provide "us" with. "Please,"don't ever forget,while we can't speak up for ourselves "we feel pain, too"! Keep the good work up.

Dickthedog

Gail Sinclair

I wonder if Brilliant Bryant, who has no qualifications, certifications, diplomas, or degrees in the psychology of canine behavior, will pass a law against the dog owners who hit their little dog's bottom, ensuring that such owners can never own a dog again because hitting their little dog's bottom has just taught the dog that human hands cause harm, thus teaching the dog to bite strange hands that may well mean to pet them. And then this charming owner will let this fearful dog run off-leash. I wonder if Brilliant Bryant will legislate such owners as dangerous to the public? Power without qualifications will always result in tyranny and chaos at the hand of such an intellectual barbarian.

Bea Stenger

Y'know, when all this started, Bryant's face was everywhere except on milk cartons.

Now he's really, really quiet.

I don't know if I should trust that. Perhaps he's just keeping his head down till the election, hoping this will all blow over, rather like a bad dream.

No chance, Mike. We're your worst nightmare - honest, law abiding citizens who are beyond angry about being labelled as criminals and deprived of our rights.

And we're not going away.

Anonymous

Brytler, get outta here. Your tie is making my eyes bleed again.

Michael Brytler

You guys better stop picking on me or I'll ban you! Don't think I can't, either.

Pibbles are so still banned, don't listen to those bad ladies from the DLCC they don't know anything.

Listen to me! Only me! Me me me me me me me!

Dianne Singer

Something I envy about the U.S.A. - individual property rights burned into its Constitution. The federal Fiberals did us out of that, and we didn't even get dinner first.

That's why changing "pet" to "companion" and "owner" to "guardian" is so dangerous. It removes animals from the category of property, and makes it easier for AR extremists to fight their war against pet owners and pet ownership of all species.

Stay far, far away from the soft and fuzzy stuff promoted by the likes of Peta, HSUS and the rest. It's a red herring designed to lull one into complacency and eventually destroy your right to own a pet.

Dianne Singer

Beauty! We in Ontario are living under a Liberal aka Fiberal government that lied to get into power, and then fought a court action by a citizen trying to bring it to account for its lies. What happened? We discovered that the Fiberal goverment does not want to be held accountable for its lies. This Fiberal government has more constitutional challenges and lawsuits against it than any other I can remember. This Fiberal government is the worst thing that's ever happened to this province - full of arrogance and self-importance, much sound and fury with little meaning. The Fibs have flailed about since taking office, reflexively leaping onto every bandwagon that passes, with no apparent plan for governing this province or improving Ontarians' lives. Anyone who even considers voting Fiberal in the October 2007 election needs to write a large personal reality check.

Jamie MacDonald

Hurrah for the good old USA!Our American friends get it(At least some of them).Some, if not all of their politicians are just as stubborn and blind as ours.
I sent the link to our esteemed Michael Bryant.
I know you`re reading it Michael.
Despite the spin you`re putting on it,here`s the truth.
The owners of the unconstitutionally vague dogs will continue the fight to save the purebreeds
I urge everyone to make a donation to help these dogs.

Caveat

Bingo LeeAnn!

Just to clarify, the search and seizure provisions I described applied to the owners of ANY breed of dog, not just the mythical 'pit bull'.

While the public sleeps in front of the TV, rights are being eroded at a frightening pace. By the time people realize it, it will be too late.

Right from the start, I didn't believe this had anything to do with dogs either. The dogs are just a red herring.

LeeAnn O'Reilly

The amendments to DOLA in my opinion ,were never tailored to address dangerous dog owners,nor the media maligned dogs.

After all,even the twisted folks of AR understand that banning a breed is the wrong approach.

However they take it many steps forward and wish for it to be applied across SPECIES.

It was about seeing how far Canadians would allow BIG BROTHER to invade their homes and pervert their rights.

The softest target is always something the mass public ( AKA SHEEPLE) have little or no interest in.

The 'PIT BULL' was believed to be a soft target.

WRONG.

Lets face it,lawyers are born bred and raised in the finer art of manipulation and disinformation.

They are the masters of SPIN.

Thats why lawyers never retire,they become politicians.

Caveat

Great post!

Actually with respect to reverse onus, it worked like this (I know, I know, this law was so confusing that even officials couldn't figure it out):

1. The Crown alleges that your dog is a 'pit bull'.
2. A certificate purported to be signed by a vet with no proof of signature or affliation with a veterinary licensing bureau would ID your dog as a 'pit bull' in court. The vet would not be called for examination.
3. This would constitute proof by the Crown (prosecution) that the dog was a 'pit bull'.
4. The onus was then on the owner to prove the dog was not a 'pit bull'. Good luck if, like most people, your dog isn't registered.

That section is gone, so is the reversal of the burden of proof.

So is the unconstitutionally vague definition of 'pit bull'.

As for warrantless entry, under the law a police officer, bylaw officer or other deputized person not defined could enter any premises including a private residence without a warrant if they 'believed' that a dog inside was imminently threatening a person or domestic animal.

I personally think that was the cornerstone of the law so that the police could save the time and trouble of due process and enter any premises in order to address a supposedly dangerous dog situation. While in there of course, they could look around and see what else might be going on.

Similarly, there was a provision whereby a dog could be seized, even from a private residence, using whatever force was deemed necessary, whether the owner was present or not.

Now I must go polish my tinfoil hat :)

D. Shields

Just one point -Did the Police actually seize any dogs, & described a possible pitbull from a home under Bill 132/DOLA?

It is my understanding that local Bi-Law Enforcement Officers had this job. (A cute way of downloading the costs to local governments.I'm not sure that any areas footed the bill for hiring more bi-law officers, just for Bill 132.)

I know that our local Police will respond to a dog attack, or serious bite incident,& dog fight investigations, but they have said that they are Not Interested in playing Dog Catcher.

They have more than enough to do with real police work.

If there has been an search & seizure incident after Bill 132/DOLA's inception, involving the local police or the O.P.P. (Ont. Prov. Police)that wasn't part & parcel of a dog attack, dog fight ring investigation, or dog bite incident, I'd be very interested to hear about it.

To date, I haven't heard of any police forces willing to enforce Bill 132/DOLA. It's seen as a local by-law issue, that primarily effects towns & areas with their own BSL regulations. (Some that pre-dated Bill 132 by many years, like Kitchener-Waterloo region for example.)
.... Just wondering..?

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